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- {geni:about_me} An Ermengarde was the wife of [https://www.geni.com/people/Gilbert-duke-of-Burgundy/6000000002134952259 Gilbert Duc of Burgundy]'''. For many years, she has been believed to have been the daughter of Duke Richard "the Justiciar" of Burgundy; however, recent researchers have cast doubts upon that claim. Please see below.''' This profile is for Ermengarde de Bourgogne, possible daughter of Richard le Justiciar de Bourgogne. Please do not merge with [https://www.geni.com/people/Ermengarde-of-Lotharingia/6000000003299280458 Ermengarde of Lotharingia], daughter of Lothair I. While their identities may be ambiguated, distinguishing which was married to which Gislebert would still need to be determined: was a separate, distinct Ermengarde married to [https://www.geni.com/people/Giselbert-I-count-of-Lower-Lorraine/6000000002240763679 Giselbert I, count of Lower Lorraine]?
alternate death date: April 12, 935 France
http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/BURGUNDY.htm
ERMENGARD. Ermengardis, wife of Giselbert, has been accepted as the daughter of Duke Richard since Du Chesne in 1625[35]. More recently this affiliation has been challenged, in particular because she is not mentioned in her mother's will[36]. In addition, if it is correct that Giselbert's mother was the daughter of King Boson (see BURGUNDIAN NOBILITY), she would have been her husband's first cousin.
m GISELBERT, son of MANASSES Comte de Vergy & his wife --- (-956). He became GISELBERT Duke of Burgundy, after Raoul and Hugues "le Noir" ceded him their rights to Burgundy in [936]. After his death, Lothaire King of France took direct control of his part of Burgundy[37].]
Duke Giselbert & his wife had two children:
1. ADELAIS [Wera] ([930/35]-). "Gislebertus…comes Heduensis" granted property to "suo fidele Guitbaldus…nec non eius coniuge Rutrudis" by charter dated 11 Dec 934, signed by "Gisleberti comitis, Ermengardi, Adaledis filiam eorum…"[65]. The Chronicle of Saint-Bénigne de Dijon records the death in 956 of "Gislebertus comes Burgundionum", names "filia Leudegarde", "aliam…filiam…Werram", and the latter's marriage to "Robertus comes Trecassinorum"[66]. "Trecassine urbis comitem Robertum" donated land to "Gratianum abbatem monasterii Sancti Petri Dervensis" by charter dated 6 Aug 959, signed by "Adelais comitisse, Erberti filii eorum, Walterii vicecomitis"[67]. It is unclear why these two sources refer to the wife of Comte Robert by different names, as "Adelais comitisse" who signed the 959 charter must have been the same person as the wife of Robert named in 956 because the former document also refers to "Erberti filii eorum". It is possible that the reference to "Werram" is a transcription error as no other reference to this name has so far been found in other contemporary French sources. Her birth date range is estimated from her own daughter's estimated birth date of [950]. m (before 950) ROBERT Comte de Meaux, son of HERIBERT II Comte de Vermandois & his wife Adela [Capet] (-after 19 Jun 966). He became Comte de Troyes in 956 on the death of his father-in-law, by right of his wife.
2. [LIETGARDIS] (-after 958). A manuscript, whose attribution to Orderic Vitalis is disputed, refers to the wife of Duke Otto as daughter of Giselbert without giving her name[68]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines also refers to the wife of "Otto [filius Hugo rex]…dux Burgundie" as "filiam Gisleberti" without naming her[69]. The Historia Francorum Senonensis refers to "filiam Gisleberti ducis Burgundiæ" as the wife of "Ottoni, filio Hugonis Magni", when recording his succession to his father-in-law's dukedom[70]. The Chronicle of Saint-Bénigne de Dijon records the death in 956 of "Gislebertus comes Burgundionum", names "filia Leudegarde", "aliam…filiam…Werram", and the latter's marriage to "Robertus comes Trecassinorum"[71], which appears to indicate the order of birth of the two daughters. It is assumed that Lietgardis was the name of the wife of Duke Eudes, although this is not without doubt in view of the uncertainty relating to the name of the other daughter being "Werram" (see above). The Annales Nivernenses record that in 958 "Rodulfus Divioni comes" captured the château of Beaune from "seniori sui Optonis" and kidnapped his wife "filiam Gisleberti", but that the castle was recaptured by Otton "Kal Maias"[72]. Bouchard states that Comte Rodolphe married Lietgardis, although the basis for this is not known[73]. m ([Easter] 955) OTTON [Eudes], son of HUGUES "le Grand" Capet Duc des Francs & his third wife Hedwig of Saxony ([945]-22/23 Feb 965, bur Saint-Germain d’Auxerre). Comte d’Auxerre. On the death of his father-in-law in 956, Lothaire King of France installed Eudes in Burgundy at Beaune. He was installed as EUDES Duke of Burgundy in 960[74].
3. [ADELAIS (-after 18 Oct 984). It has been suggested that Adelais Ctss de Chalon was the sister of "Wera" Ctss de Meaux[75] but this is far from certain. Another theory is proposed in a 17th century source which refers to "Wera" as "Adelaide-Wera" and at the same time suggests that Adelais Ctss de Chalon was her daughter[76]. However, this would mean that both wives of Geoffroy I Comte d'Anjou were sisters which, if correct, would probably have been mentioned in contemporary sources. Another suggestion is that Adelais Ctss de Chalon was the same person as Wera-Adelais Ctss de Meaux. However, this is even more unlikely chronologically considering the estimated birth date of Wera-Adelais and the fact that Adelais de Chalon gave birth to at least one child by her second husband, Geoffroy Comte d'Anjou, after her marriage in 979. It would also mean that Comte Geoffroy married, as his second wife, his first wife's mother, which seems unlikely. m firstly [as his second wife,] LAMBERT Comte de Chalon, son of ROBERT Vicomte de Dijon & his wife Ingeltrude (-22 Feb 979). m secondly (2 or 9 Mar 979) as his second wife, GEOFFROY I “Grisegonelle” Comte d'Anjou, son of FOULQUES II Comte d’Anjou & his first wife Gerberge [de Maine] (-21 Jul 987).]
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'''Daughter [of Lothair I and Ermentrude of Tours]''' ([825/30]-). The Gesta Francorum records that "Gisalbertus, vassallus Karoli" abducted "filiam Hlotharii imperatoris" and took her to Aquitaine where they were married[21]. The Annales Fuldenses also record that "Gisalbertus vassallus Karoli" abducted "filiam Hlotharii imperatoris" and married her in Aquitaine in 846[22]. The Annales Mettenses also date this event in 846[23]. Settipani states that the emperor recognised the marriage in 849[24]. Rösch says that this daughter is often named Ermengarde in secondary sources but that there is no contemporary proof that this is correct[25]. m (Aquitaine 846) GISELBERT Graf von Maasgau, son of --- (-after 14 Jun 877)
from Foundation for Medieval Genealogy
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Richard, Duke of Burgundy
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
By his wife Adelaide (married 888), daughter of Conrad II, Count of Auxerre, and Ermentrude of Alsace, he had several sons and daughters:
Rudolph, successor and later King of France
Hugh the Black, later Duke of Burgundy
Ermengard, married Gilbert, Duke of Burgundy
Willa, married firstly Hugh, Count of Vienne, and secondly Boso, Count of Arles
Adelaide, married Reginar II, Count of Hainaut
Richilda, married Litaud I, Count of Mâcon
Gilbert, Duke of Burgundy
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Gilbert of Chalon or Giselbert de Candiǣ, count of Chalon (died April 8, 956) was duke of Burgundy between 952 and 956. He ruled Burgundy jure uxoris, his wife Ermengarde being sister of Hugh the Black. By her he had two daughters: Adelais and Liutgarde. Gilbert never managed to maintain the independence of the duchy in the struggles for power of 10th century France. In 955, he became a vassal of Hugh the Great, count of Paris and was compelled to give his oldest daughter, Lieutgard, to Hugh's son Otto of Paris.
Gilbert, Duke of Burgundy
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
He ruled Burgundy in the name of his wife, Ermengarde, sister of Hugh the Black, with whom he had two daughters: Adelais and Liutgarde.
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Info from Findagrave.com:
Birth: unknown
Dijon
Departement de la Côte-d'Or
Bourgogne, France
Death: unknown
Departement de l'Yonne
Bourgogne, France
Birth:905
Death:942
Comtesse de Dijon, Duchesse de Bourgogne
Married 938
Family links:
Parents:
Richard Duke of Burgundy (858 - 921)
Adelaide de Bourgogne
Spouse:
Gilbert de Chalon
Children:
Adelaide Werra de Bourgogne de Vermandois*
*Calculated relationship
Burial:
Abbey de Sainte Colombe de Sens
Sens
Departement de l'Yonne
Bourgogne, France
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Record added: Mar 10, 2015
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- _P_CCINFO 2-2438
- Ancestral File Number: 9GCW-K2
- Ancestral File Number: 9HMX-MF
- Name Suffix: Princess of Italy
from "Our Folk" by Albert D Hart, Jr.
- ! (1) Also AFN 9HMXMF
- Data From Lynn Jeffrey Bernhard, 2445 W 450 South #4, Springville UT 84663-4950
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Ref Number: 560
- SOURCE NOTES:
KdGrote http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~churchh/edw3chrt.html
- RESEARCH NOTES:
Dutchess of Moselle
- SOURCE NOTES:
http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~churchh/edw3chrt.html
- RESEARCH NOTES:
edw3chrt gives as mother of Adelais "were" Countess
- ! (1) Also AFN 9HMXMF
- Source: The Rufus Parks Pedigree by Brian J.L. Berry. Chart page 55 & 61.
Page 67:
16. Gislebert, Count of Darnau 846-63; kidnapped and mar. 846 Ermengarde of Lorraine (also called Helletrude), dau. of King Lothair I and Ermengarde of Orleans. Lothair was a grandson of Charlemagne, and the descendants of this couple thus brought together the Merovingian and Carolingian lines.
After Clovis, Hainaut (today a Belgian province), formed part of the Kingdom of Metz, and then of Lotharingia. It shared the fortunes of that kingdom, which was coveted by the French and Germans, dismembered and reunited and finally, in 925, taken over by Henry I the Fowler. For centuries thereafter it existed as a German duchy, with Hainaut as one of its appanages. Its first count was Règnier I.
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Source: "Ancestral Roots of Sixty Colonists" by Frederick Lewis Weis.
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16. Giselbert, Count of Darnau 846-963; m. Helletrude of Lorraine (also called Ermengarde), dau. of the Emperor Lothair I (104-1).
- !BIRTH: "Royal Ancestors" by Michel Call - Based on Call Family Pedigrees FHL
film 844805 & 844806, Family History Library, Salt Lake City, UT. Copy of
"Royal Ancestors" owned by Lynn Bernhard, Orem, UT.
Data From Lynn Jeffrey Bernhard, 2445 W 450 South #4, Springville UT 84663-4950
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- _P_CCINFO 2-2438
- "OF LORRAINE"
- ! (1) Also AFN 9HMXMF
- Name Suffix: Of Burgundy
- Weis, p. 204: also called Helletrude of Lorraine. See G. A. Moriarty, in TAG 26:188-189, 28:23-25.
- [s2.FTW]
[Brøderbund WFT Vol. 2, Ed. 1, Tree #1241, Date of Import: May 8, 1997]
!PRINCESS OF ITALY[Brøderbund WFT Vol. 2, Ed. 1, Tree #1241, Date of Import: May 8, 1997]
!PRINCESS OF ITALY
- WFT6064
- [2777] http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~churchh/edw3chrt.html#BEGIN b 908
- Alan Wilson, in a post to SGM on 27 Apr 1997, states that even though she is usually called a daughter of Richard the Judiciar, Duke of Burgundy, there is no evidence that she was such a daughter. Alan, in a later post, has her as daughter of a Count of Dijon. Alan Bach, naming her Ermengarde de Dijon, states that her husband Giselbert "inherited" (there wasn't true inheritance at that early time) the Dukedom of Burgundy because his mother (Ermengarde de Provence) was a niece of Richard the Justiciar, not because his wife was Richard's daughter. Stated to be sister of Raoul de Dijon, as well as Alan Wilson placing her as daughter of Eliran de Dijon.
- !Name is; Ermengarde Duchess Of The /MOSELLE/
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