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Female Abt 1058 - 1117  (~ 59 years)


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  • Name Adeliza de Clermont 
    Nickname de Clermont 
    Born Abt 1058 
    Address:
    Northamptonshire England
    Northamptonshire
    England 
    Christened daughter of, Hugh, Count of, Clermont Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Gender Female 
    Christening daughter of, Hugh, Count of, Clermont Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Christening daughter of, Hugh, Count of, Clermont Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Christening Northampton, Northamptonshire, England, United Kingdom Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Name Adelaide / Alice / de Clermont / Adeliza Adelize Adeliza de Claremont 
    Occupation Countess De Vermandois 
    Died 1117  Sussex Square, London, Middlesex, England Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Buried England Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Notes 
    • {geni:about_me} http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/parclerdam.htm#Renauddiedbefore1162

      ADELISA de Clermont . The Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis refers to a sister of "comes Rainaldus" as husband of "Gillebertus, filius Richardi Anglici"[37]. Guillaume of Jumièges records that “Giselbertus” married “filia comitis de Claromonte”[38]. "Hadalaidis filia Hugonis de Claromonte…uxor Gisleberti de Anglia" founded an anniversary at Saint-Leu d’Esserent, like the anniversaries of "patris sui Hugonis et matris sue Margarite", by undated charter[39]. Her second marriage into the Montmorency family is confirmed by the charter dated under which Robert Bishop of Lincoln confirms previous donations to Thorney, including one by “Adelidæ de Montemoraci” of “…terræ in Randa quas Turgisius tenuit et Toui prius dederat”[40], which clearly refers back to the earlier undated charter under which “Adeliz, uxor Gilberti filii Ricardi, et Gillebertus et Walterus et Baldewinus et Rohaisia pueri Gilberti” donated property “quod Tovi dedit…et in Randa…quas Turgisius tenebat” to Thorney Monastery[41]. The precise identity of Adelisa’s second husband has not yet been confirmed. According to Duchesne, Adelisa’s second husband was Hervé, son of Bouchard [III] Seigneur de Montmorency and his second wife, but he cites no primary source on which this statement is based[42]. As noted below, the first marriage of Mathieu [I] de Montmorency, who would have been Hervé’s older half-brother born from their father’s first marriage, is dated to [1126]. This suggests the birth of Mathieu [I] in [1095/1105]. If that estimated date range is correct, any half-brothers born from his father’s second marriage would probably have been too young to have married Adelisa. In addition, given Adelisa’s prominent family background and first marriage, it is unlikely that her second husband would have been the younger son of the seigneur de Montmorency. As Adelisa had several children by her first husband, she would have been considerably older than her second husband if he had been a younger son of Bouchard [III]. A more likely case is that Adelisa’s second husband was Bouchard [III] himself, whose age and position would have been more appropriate for the marriage. This is supported by the Liber Vitæ of Thorney abbey which lists "…Gilebt fili[us] Ricardi…Burchardus de Muntmorenci…Aaliz uxor Gilbti filii Ricardi…", suggested by Keats-Rohan as Adelisa and her two husbands[43].

      m firstly [as his second wife,] GILBERT FitzRichard de Clare, son of RICHARD de Brionne Lord of Clare and Tonbridge [Normandy] & his wife Rohese Giffard (-1114 or 1117).

      m secondly (after [1114/17]) [as his third wife, BOUCHARD [III] Seigneur] de Montmorency, son of [HERVE Seigneur de Montmorency & his wife Agnes --- (-Jerusalem 2 Jan, after 1124)].

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      Adeliza (Adelaide) de Clermont was the daughter of Count de Clermont-Beauvais Hugh and Marguerite de Roucy. (THE AMERICAN GENEALOGIST 57:32; AR. op. cit., p.201)

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      The news of Richard's death induced Owain Gwynedd, son of Gruffydd ap Cynan, king of Gwynedd to invade his Lordship. In alliance with Gruffydd ap Rhys of Deheubarth he won a crushing victory over the Normans at the Battle of Crug Mawr, just outside Cardigan. The town of Cardigan was taken and burnt, and Richard's widow, Adelize, took refuge in Cardigan Castle, which was successfully defended by Robert fitz Martin. She was rescued by Miles of Gloucester who led an expedition to bring her to safety in England.

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      Adeliza (Alice) de Clermont married Gilbert fitz Richard, Lord of Clare, son of Richard fitz Gilbert, Justiciar of England and Rohesia Giffard, in England.

      See "My Lines" ( http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cousin/html/p56.htm#i6820 )

      from Compiler: R. B. Stewart, Evans, GA
      ( http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cousin/html/index.htm )

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      Her father, Hugh Count of Clermont. Note from 'The Thomas Book': Renaud Count of Clermont in Beauvaisis, living in 1087, had a son Hugues, md. Marguerite de Roucy, dau. of Hilduin, Count of Montdidier, & Alix, Countess de Roucy, & had a son Renaud, & dau. Adeliza (the one this is written for).

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      (Adeliza, Adelaide) de Clermont married Gilbert FitzRichard de Clare, Earl of Clare born circa 1066, died in 1114 / 1117 and they had the following children:

      · Baldwin FitzGilbert de Clare, Lord of Bourne

      · Richard FitzGilbert de Clare, mentioned next.

      · Gilbert FitzGilbert de Clare, 1st Earl of Pembroke. Gilbert is sometimes referred to as “Strongbow”, but his son Richard is better remembered by this name. He was born circa 1100 and died on January 6, 1147. Gilbert FitzGilbert de Clare married Isabel (Elizabeth) de Beaumont

      · Alice de Clare who married Aubrey de Vere, Justicar of England.

      · Rohese de Clare

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      Father: Hugh DE CLERMONT b: Abt 1030 in Of Clermont, Oise, France

      Mother: Margaret MARGUERITE DE MONTDIDIER b: 1048 in Of, Montdidier, Somme, France

      Marriage 1 Alfbert FITZ RICHARD DE CLARE b: 1066 in Clare, Clare, England, England

      Children

      Baldwin FITZ GILBERT DE CLARE b: 1088 in Lincolnshire, England

      Marriage 2 Gilbert DE CLARE b: Bef 1070 in France

      Children

      Richard DE CLARE b: 1090 in Abergavenny, Monmouthshire, England

      Gilbert DE CLARE b: 21 Sep 1100

      Baldwin FITZ GILBERT DE CLARE b: Abt 1088 in In Bourne, Lincolnshire, England

      Adelize FITZ GILBERT DECLARE b: 1080-1092 in Tunbridge, Kent, England

      Rohesia DE CLARE b: 1092 in Tunbridge Castle, Kent, England

      Hawise DE CLARE b: Abt 1099 in Of, , Kent, England

      Agnes DE CLARE b: Abt 1091 in Tonbridge, Kent, England

      Margaret FITZ GILBERT DE CLARE

      Hervey WALTER DE CLARE b: Abt 1086-1111 in Of Clare, Suffolk, England
    • Ancestral File Number: 8XJS-QX

    • from "Our Folk" by Albert D Hart, Jr.
    • 28th great grandmother
    • From THE RUFUS PARKS PEDIGREE by Brian J.L. Berry, chart pg 55.

      Arms of Clare: Or. three chevrons gules

      Page 54:

      12c. Adeliza (adelaide) de Clermont, mar. Gilbert Fitz Richard de Clare, 2nd Earl of Clare, who d. c.1115.

    • from "Our Folk" by Albert D Hart, Jr.
    • There seems to be a serious error in line 246b-24 of Ancestral Roots, which has this Adeliza marrying Robert de Condet d. 1141, after her marriage to Gilbert Fitz Richard. This does not agree with any other lines, which have Robert de Condet's wife as Adeliza dau. of Ranulph le Meschin, Earl of Chester. The error in generation 24 is shown in the next generation of this line (246b-25) which has Adeliza dau. of Ranulph marrying first Richard Fitz Gilbert and then Robert de Condet. I believe this (generation 25) is correct.

      There seems to be a serious error in line 246b-24 of Ancestral Roots, which has this Adeliza marrying Robert de Condet d. 1141, after her marriage to Gilbert Fitz Richard. This does not agree with any other lines, which have Robert de Condet's wife as Adeliza dau. of Ranulph le Meschin, Earl of Chester. The error in generation 24 is shown in the next generation of this line (246b-25) which has Adeliza dau. of Ranulph marrying first Richard Fitz Gilbert and then Robert de Condet. I believe this (generation 25) is correct.
    • GIVN Alice
      SURN von Claremont
      AFN 8XJS-QX
      _PRIMARY Y
      DATE 9 SEP 2000
      TIME 13:15:53
    • GIVN Alice
      SURN von Claremont
      AFN 8XJS-QX
      _PRIMARY Y
      DATE 9 SEP 2000
      TIME 13:15:53
    • [BIGOD-Mel Morris,10Gen Anc.FTW]

      GIVN Adeliza
      SURN de Claremont
      AFN 8XJS-QX
      DATE 4 MAY 2000
      TIME 09:37:34[BIGOD-Mel Morris,10Gen Anc.FTW]

      OCCU Lady ...
      SOUR TROW.TAF (Compuserve); www.public.asu.edu/bgertz/family ;
      Royalty for Commoners, Roderick W. Stuart, p. 21;
      gendex.com/users/daver/rigney/D0001 says 1058, Northamptonshire, England
      SOUR http://misc.traveller.com/ge nealogy/gedhtml/kmilburn/d0003/g0000006.htm#I875
      Adelaide de Clermont - CHARLE.TXT (Compuserve); of Clearmont, Beauvais, Fr -
      HAWKINS.GED

      GIVN Adeliza De
      SURN CLERMONT
      AFN 8XJS-QX
      From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 2 January 1996.

      REPO @REPO82@
      TITL Ancestral File (TM)
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      DATE 23 NOV 1999
      TIME 16:14:13

      GIVN Adeliza De
      SURN CLERMONT
      AFN 8XJS-QX
      From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 2 January 1996.

      REPO @REPO82@
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      TIME 16:14:13

      GIVN Adeliza de
      SURN CLERMONT
      AFN 8XJS-QX
      PEDI birth

      This individual has the following other parents in the Ancestral File:
      Hugh /DE CLERMONT/ (AFN:FLH9-H2) and Margaret /DE ROUCY/ (AFN:FLH9-J7)
      /HUGH/ (AFN:9LT0-VL) and Margaret De /ROUCY/ (AFN:9LT0-TF)

      SURN Clermont
      GIVN Adeliza de
      AFN 8XJS-QX
      _UID ECDFD6C73347B54890C9B5CD8DF6939060B5
      REPO @REPO4@
      TITL Ancestral File (TM)
      AUTH The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
      PUBL July 1996 (c), data as of 2 January 1996
      _ITALIC Y
      _PAREN Y
      DATE 28 Apr 2000
      TIME 01:00:00

      GIVN Alice
      SURN von Claremont
      AFN 8XJS-QX
      _PRIMARY Y
      DATE 9 SEP 2000
      TIME 13:15:53


      NSFX /CLERMONT
      TYPE Book
      AUTH Weis, Frederick Lewis
      PERI The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215
      EDTN 5th
      PUBL Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., Baltimore, MD
      DATE 1999
      TEXT Line 153-1; 154-1
      DATE 15 MAY 2000

      GIVN Adeliza
      SURN De Clermont
      DATE 29 AUG 1999
      TIME 08:56:19
    • [1013] PLANTAGENET.DOC = "The Plantagenets and Their Times" by Ron Collins Alice

      http://library.monterey.edu/merrill/family/warren.html b 1034
    • There seems to be a serious error in line 246b-24 of Ancestral Roots, which has this Adeliza marrying Robert de Condet d. 1141, after her marriage to Gilbert Fitz Richard. This does not agree with any other lines, which have Robert de Condet's wife as Adeliza dau. of Ranulph le Meschin, Earl of Chester. The error in generation 24 is shown in the next generation of this line (246b-25) which has Adeliza dau. of Ranulph marrying first Richard Fitz Gilbert and then Robert de Condet. I believe this (generation 25) is correct. (J Weber)
    • There seems to be a serious error in line 246b-24 of Ancestral Roots,which has this Adeliza marrying Robert de Condet d. 1141, after hermarriage to Gilbert Fitz Richard. This does not agree with any otherlines, which have Robert de Condet's wife as Adeliza dau. of Ranulphle Meschin, Earl of Chester. The error in generation 24 is shown inthe next generation of this line (246b-25) which has Adeliza dau. ofRanulph marrying first Richard Fitz Gilbert and then Robert de Condet.I believe this (generation 25) is correct.
    • Weis, p. 157; 208: Complete Peerage III, pp. 242-3; X, p. 348

      Source #2: Sally N. Vaughn, "Anselm of Bec and Robert of Meulan: The Innocence of the Dove and the Wisdom of the Serpent" (Berkeley: University of California Press, 1987], Appendix B (chart)
    • GIVN Alice
      SURN von Claremont
      AFN 8XJS-QX
      _PRIMARY Y
      DATE 9 SEP 2000
      TIME 13:15:53
    Person ID I6000000006125813004  Ancestors of Donald Ross
    Last Modified 16 Jan 2020 

    Father Hugh I /of Breteuil Creil, Lord of Clermont-en-Beauvaisis and of Luzarches,   b. 5 Sep 1030,   d. 9 Jun 1101  (Age 70 years) 
    Mother Marguerite de Rouci, Dame de Roucy,   b. 6 Dec 1045,   d. Abt 1110  (Age 64 years) 
    Married 1065  Picardy, France Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Family ID F6000000000305220749  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family Gilbert Fitz Richard de Clare, Lord of Clare, Tonbridge, and Cardigan,   b. Abt 1065,   d. 17 Nov 1114, Tonbridge, Kent, England or Cardigan, Wales Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 49 years) 
    Married Abt 1076  England Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Children 
     1. Richard FitzGilbert de Clare, Lord of Clare,   b. 1094, Hertford,,Hertfordshire,England Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 15 Apr 1136, Abergavenny,Monmouthshire,,England Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 42 years)
     2. Gilbert FitzGilbert "Strongbow" de Clare, 1st Earl of Pembroke,   b. 21 Sep 1100, Tunbridge, Kent, England Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 6 Jan 1148, Tintern Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 47 years)
     3. Rohesia FitzGilbert de Clare,   b. Abt 1090, Clare, Suffolk Or Pembroke, Wales, England Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 1166, Clare, Suffolk, England Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 76 years)
     4. Adeliza de Clare,   b. Abt 1 Jan 1091, Clare, Essex, England Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 1 Jan 1163  (Age ~ 71 years)
     5. Hawise fitz Gilbert de Clare,   b. Abt 1089,   d. 1112  (Age ~ 23 years)
    Last Modified 14 Mar 2021 
    Family ID F6000000004579669114  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart